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    Usually, people post topics seeking to EXPLAIN some verse.
    I create this topic seeking any insight YOU ALL may have to offer ...

    John 10:33-36

    33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

    34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? (NIV)


    Am I the only one in the world who finds Jesus answer in verse 34-36 a little more 'slippery' than I would expect from the Messiah?
    I mean, he had no problem coming out and confronting them directly in other places.
    This sounded more like a "politician's answer".

    So what ever happened to "let your yes mean yes and your no mean no"?

    I can guarantee you that I am not god (nor was Moses or anyone else in the OT) in the same way that Jesus is God, so v.34-36 always made me say "huh?"

  • #2
    When Jesus said "you are gods" he was quoting Psalm 82:6. Perhaps a study of Psalm 82 would shed some light on this passage.
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    • #3
      Surely Jesus is saying “if it was OK for those to whom the word of God came (at the time of Moses?) to be called ‘gods’ (lower case ‘g’) then what is so wrong and blasphemous about the actual Son of God (whom the Father chose to sacrifice) saying that he is “the Son of God”.
      Of course those accusing Jesus of blasphemy would not have known, at the time in question, that Jesus was ultimately to be sacrificed, raised from the dead, and returned back to the Father’s side.
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      • #4
        Thanks for posting this. I have wondered recently about these verses as well and it is very helpful to see other member's insights. Sorry I can't offer some of my own. But I will definitely be doing a study of Psalm 82.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by chelle318 View Post
          Thanks for posting this. I have wondered recently about these verses as well and it is very helpful to see other member's insights. Sorry I can't offer some of my own. But I will definitely be doing a study of Psalm 82.

          The gods in psalm 82:6 are being equated to magistrates.
          Psalms 82:1-8

          1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
          2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
          3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
          4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
          5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
          6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
          7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
          8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.



          Commentary by C.H. Spurgeon

          Psa 82:1

          “God standeth in the congregation of the mighty.” He is the overlooker, who, from his own point of view, sees all that is done by the great ones of the earth. When they sit in state he stands over them, ready to deal with them if they pervert judgment. Judges shall be judged, and to justices justice shall be meted out. Our village squires and country magistrates would do well to remember this. Some of them had need go to school to Asaph till they have mastered this Psalm. Their harsh decisions and strange judgments are made in the presence of him who will surely visit them for every unseemly act, for he has no respect unto the person of any, and is the champion of the poor and needy. A higher authority will criticise the decision of petty sessions, and even the judgments of our most impartial judges will be revised by the High Court of heaven. “He judgeth among the gods.” They are gods to other men, but he is God to them. He lends them his name, and this is their authority for acting as judges, but they must take care that they do not misuse the power entrusted to them, for the Judge of judges is in session among them. Our puisne judges are but puny judges, and their brethren who administer common law will one day be tried by the common law. This great truth is, upon the whole, well regarded among us in these times, but it was not so in the earlier days of English history, when Jeffries, and such as he, were an insult to the name of justice. Oriential judges, even now, are frequently, if not generally, amenable to bribes, and in past ages it was very hard to find a ruler who had any notion of justice apart from his own arbitrary will. Such plain teaching as this Psalm contains was needful indeed, and he was a bold, good man who, in such uncourtly phrases, delivered his own soul.

          Psa 82:2

          “How long will ye judge unjustly and accept the persons of the wicked?” It is indirectly stated that the magistrates had been unjust and corrupt. They not only excused the wicked, but even decided in their favour against the righteous. A little of this is too much, a short time too long. Some suitors could get their claims settled at once, and in their own favour, while others were wearing out their lives by waiting for an audience, or were robbed by legal process because their opponents had the judge's ear: how long were such things to be perpetrated? Would they never remember the Great Judge, and renounce their wickedness? This verse is so grandly stern that one is tempted to say, “Surely an Elijah is here.” “Selah.” This gives the offenders pause for consideration and confession.

          Psa 82:3

          “Defend the poor and fatherless.” Cease to do evil, learn to do well. Look not to the interests of the wealthy whose hands proffer you bribes, but protect the rights of the needy, and especially uphold the claims of orphans whose property too often becomes a prey. Do not hunt down the peasant for gathering a few sticks, and allow the gentlemanly swindler to break through the meshes of the law. “Do justice to the afflicted and needy.” Even they can claim from you as judge no more than justice; your pity for their circumstances must not make you hold the scales unfairly: but if you give them no more than justice, at least be sure that you give them that to the full. Suffer not the afflicted to be further afflicted by enduring injustice, and let not the needy long stand in need of an equitable hearing.

          Psa 82:4

          “Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand, of the wicked.” Break the nets of the man-catchers, the legal toils, the bonds, the securities, with which cunning men capture and continue to hold in bondage the poor and the embarrassed. It is a brave thing when a judge can liberate a victim like a fly from the spider's web, and a horrible case when magistrate and plunderer are in league. Law has too often been an instrument for vengeance in the hand of unscrupulous men, an instrument as deadly as poison or the dagger. It is for the judge to prevent such villainy.

          Psa 82:5

          “They know not, neither will they understand.” A wretched plight for a nation to be in when its justices know no justice, and its judges are devoid of judgment. Neither to know his duty nor to wish to know it is rather the mark of an incorrigible criminal than of a magistrate, yet such a stigma was justly set upon the rulers of Israel. “They walk on in darkness.” They are as reckless as they are ignorant. Being both ignorant and wicked they yet dare to pursue a path in which knowledge and righteousness are essential: they go on without hesitation, forgetful of the responsibilities in which they are involved, and the punishment which they are incurring. “All the foundations of the earth are out of course.” When the dispensers of law have dispensed with justice, settlements are unsettled, society is unhinged, the whole fabric of the nation is shaken. When injustice is committed in due course of law the world is indeed out of course. When “Justices' justice” becomes a by-word it is time that justice dealt with justices. Surely it would be well that certain of “the great unpaid” should be paid off, when day after day their judgments show that they have no judgment. When peasants may be horsewhipped by farmers with impunity, and a pretty bird is thought more precious than poor men, the foundations of the earth are indeed sinking like rotten piles unable to bear up the structures built upon them. Thank God we have, as an almost invariable rule, incorruptible judges; may it always be so. Even our lesser magistrates are, in general, most worthy men; for which we ought to be grateful to God evermore.

          Psa 82:6

          “I have said, ye are gods.” The greatest honour was thus put upon them; they were delegated gods, clothed for a while with a little of that authority by which the Lord judges among the sons of men. “And all of you are children of the Most High.” This was their ex-officio character, not their moral or spiritual relationship. There must be some government among men, and as angels are not sent to dispense it, God allows men to rule over men, and endorses their office, so far at least that the prostitution of it becomes an insult to his own prerogatives. Magistrates would have no right to condemn the guilty if God had not sanctioned the establishment of government, the administration of law, and the execution of sentences. Here the Spirit speaks most honourably of these offices, even when it censures the officers; and thereby teaches us to render honour to whom honour is due, honour to the office even if we award censure to the office-bearer.


          Psa 82:7

          “But ye shall die like men.” What sarcasm it seems! Great as the office made the men, they were still but men, and must die. To every judge this verse is a memento mori! He must leave the bench to stand at the bar, and on the way must put off the ermine to put on the shroud. “And fall like one of the princes.” Who were usually the first to die: for battle, sedition, end luxury, made greater havoc among the great than among any others. Even as princes have been cut off by sudden and violent deaths, so should the judges be who forget to do justice. Men usually respect the office of a judge, and do not conspire to slay him, as they do to kill princes and kings; but injustice withdraws this protection, and puts the unjust magistrate in personal danger. How quickly death unrobes the great. What a leveller he is. He is no advocate for liberty, but in promoting equality and fraternity he is a masterly democrat. Great men die as common men do. As their blood is the same, so the stroke which lets out their life produces the same pains and throes. No places are too high for death's arrows: he brings down his birds from the tallest trees. It is time that all men considered this.

          Psa 82:8

          “Arise, O God, judge the earth.” Come thou Judge of all mankind, put the bad judges to thy bar and end their corruption and baseness. Here is the world's true hope of rescue from the fangs of tyranny. “For thou shall inherit all nations.” The time will come when all races of men shall own their God, and accept him as their king. There is one who is “King by right divine,” and he is even now on his way. The last days shall see him enthroned, and all unrighteous potentates broken like potter's vessels by his potent sceptre. The second advent is still earth's brightest hope. Come quickly, even so, come, Lord Jesus.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by William View Post


            The gods in psalm 82:6 are being equated to magistrates.
            Psalms 82:1-8

            1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
            2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
            3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
            4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
            5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
            6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
            7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
            8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.



            Commentary by C.H. Spurgeon

            Psa 82:1

            “God standeth in the congregation of the mighty.” He is the overlooker, who, from his own point of view, sees all that is done by the great ones of the earth. When they sit in state he stands over them, ready to deal with them if they pervert judgment. Judges shall be judged, and to justices justice shall be meted out. Our village squires and country magistrates would do well to remember this. Some of them had need go to school to Asaph till they have mastered this Psalm. Their harsh decisions and strange judgments are made in the presence of him who will surely visit them for every unseemly act, for he has no respect unto the person of any, and is the champion of the poor and needy. A higher authority will criticise the decision of petty sessions, and even the judgments of our most impartial judges will be revised by the High Court of heaven. “He judgeth among the gods.” They are gods to other men, but he is God to them. He lends them his name, and this is their authority for acting as judges, but they must take care that they do not misuse the power entrusted to them, for the Judge of judges is in session among them. Our puisne judges are but puny judges, and their brethren who administer common law will one day be tried by the common law. This great truth is, upon the whole, well regarded among us in these times, but it was not so in the earlier days of English history, when Jeffries, and such as he, were an insult to the name of justice. Oriential judges, even now, are frequently, if not generally, amenable to bribes, and in past ages it was very hard to find a ruler who had any notion of justice apart from his own arbitrary will. Such plain teaching as this Psalm contains was needful indeed, and he was a bold, good man who, in such uncourtly phrases, delivered his own soul.

            Psa 82:2

            “How long will ye judge unjustly and accept the persons of the wicked?” It is indirectly stated that the magistrates had been unjust and corrupt. They not only excused the wicked, but even decided in their favour against the righteous. A little of this is too much, a short time too long. Some suitors could get their claims settled at once, and in their own favour, while others were wearing out their lives by waiting for an audience, or were robbed by legal process because their opponents had the judge's ear: how long were such things to be perpetrated? Would they never remember the Great Judge, and renounce their wickedness? This verse is so grandly stern that one is tempted to say, “Surely an Elijah is here.” “Selah.” This gives the offenders pause for consideration and confession.

            Psa 82:3

            “Defend the poor and fatherless.” Cease to do evil, learn to do well. Look not to the interests of the wealthy whose hands proffer you bribes, but protect the rights of the needy, and especially uphold the claims of orphans whose property too often becomes a prey. Do not hunt down the peasant for gathering a few sticks, and allow the gentlemanly swindler to break through the meshes of the law. “Do justice to the afflicted and needy.” Even they can claim from you as judge no more than justice; your pity for their circumstances must not make you hold the scales unfairly: but if you give them no more than justice, at least be sure that you give them that to the full. Suffer not the afflicted to be further afflicted by enduring injustice, and let not the needy long stand in need of an equitable hearing.

            Psa 82:4

            “Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand, of the wicked.” Break the nets of the man-catchers, the legal toils, the bonds, the securities, with which cunning men capture and continue to hold in bondage the poor and the embarrassed. It is a brave thing when a judge can liberate a victim like a fly from the spider's web, and a horrible case when magistrate and plunderer are in league. Law has too often been an instrument for vengeance in the hand of unscrupulous men, an instrument as deadly as poison or the dagger. It is for the judge to prevent such villainy.

            Psa 82:5

            “They know not, neither will they understand.” A wretched plight for a nation to be in when its justices know no justice, and its judges are devoid of judgment. Neither to know his duty nor to wish to know it is rather the mark of an incorrigible criminal than of a magistrate, yet such a stigma was justly set upon the rulers of Israel. “They walk on in darkness.” They are as reckless as they are ignorant. Being both ignorant and wicked they yet dare to pursue a path in which knowledge and righteousness are essential: they go on without hesitation, forgetful of the responsibilities in which they are involved, and the punishment which they are incurring. “All the foundations of the earth are out of course.” When the dispensers of law have dispensed with justice, settlements are unsettled, society is unhinged, the whole fabric of the nation is shaken. When injustice is committed in due course of law the world is indeed out of course. When “Justices' justice” becomes a by-word it is time that justice dealt with justices. Surely it would be well that certain of “the great unpaid” should be paid off, when day after day their judgments show that they have no judgment. When peasants may be horsewhipped by farmers with impunity, and a pretty bird is thought more precious than poor men, the foundations of the earth are indeed sinking like rotten piles unable to bear up the structures built upon them. Thank God we have, as an almost invariable rule, incorruptible judges; may it always be so. Even our lesser magistrates are, in general, most worthy men; for which we ought to be grateful to God evermore.

            Psa 82:6

            “I have said, ye are gods.” The greatest honour was thus put upon them; they were delegated gods, clothed for a while with a little of that authority by which the Lord judges among the sons of men. “And all of you are children of the Most High.” This was their ex-officio character, not their moral or spiritual relationship. There must be some government among men, and as angels are not sent to dispense it, God allows men to rule over men, and endorses their office, so far at least that the prostitution of it becomes an insult to his own prerogatives. Magistrates would have no right to condemn the guilty if God had not sanctioned the establishment of government, the administration of law, and the execution of sentences. Here the Spirit speaks most honourably of these offices, even when it censures the officers; and thereby teaches us to render honour to whom honour is due, honour to the office even if we award censure to the office-bearer.


            Psa 82:7

            “But ye shall die like men.” What sarcasm it seems! Great as the office made the men, they were still but men, and must die. To every judge this verse is a memento mori! He must leave the bench to stand at the bar, and on the way must put off the ermine to put on the shroud. “And fall like one of the princes.” Who were usually the first to die: for battle, sedition, end luxury, made greater havoc among the great than among any others. Even as princes have been cut off by sudden and violent deaths, so should the judges be who forget to do justice. Men usually respect the office of a judge, and do not conspire to slay him, as they do to kill princes and kings; but injustice withdraws this protection, and puts the unjust magistrate in personal danger. How quickly death unrobes the great. What a leveller he is. He is no advocate for liberty, but in promoting equality and fraternity he is a masterly democrat. Great men die as common men do. As their blood is the same, so the stroke which lets out their life produces the same pains and throes. No places are too high for death's arrows: he brings down his birds from the tallest trees. It is time that all men considered this.

            Psa 82:8

            “Arise, O God, judge the earth.” Come thou Judge of all mankind, put the bad judges to thy bar and end their corruption and baseness. Here is the world's true hope of rescue from the fangs of tyranny. “For thou shall inherit all nations.” The time will come when all races of men shall own their God, and accept him as their king. There is one who is “King by right divine,” and he is even now on his way. The last days shall see him enthroned, and all unrighteous potentates broken like potter's vessels by his potent sceptre. The second advent is still earth's brightest hope. Come quickly, even so, come, Lord Jesus.
            Thank you for this! It is much appreciated :) Spurgeon always tends to have a way with words that I can wrap my head around.
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