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    Did Jesus ever.....

    Did Jesus ever spill a glass of water? Maybe stub His toe on a corner of furniture at night? Did Jesus ever miss the ball in a game of catch? Inquiring minds want to know!

    Seriously, what have you? And what are the theological implications (if any)?

    God bless,
    William

    #2
    I certainly believe that Jesus did go through all those things and more. He came to this earth to live a physical life experience and he lived it in every way, so it only makes sense that such things happened to him from time to time. Of course his reaction to these minor everyday frustrations must have been a little different than the reaction that most other people would have. For example, I can only imagine what a lot of us would say on stubbing our toe, but I don't think that's the same reaction Jesus would have had.
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      #3
      Luke 2:52 says, "And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and man." This shows he was fully human and had the weaknesses all humans do but not the sins. I think that while he was growing up he experienced all the things you mentioned although it is possible that he didn't when he was fully grown.
      Clyde Herrin's Blog
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        #4
        It is highly unlikely that the Son of God stumbled or bumbled at any point in His earthly life. At the end of the day, the perfect humanity of Christ will remain a mystery, since it was always "without sin". We should always bear in mind that He was "God manifest in the flesh" (! Tim 3:16).
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          #5
          Originally posted by William View Post
          And what are the theological implications (if any)?
          Um, none.

          Except perhaps you might wonder about the fully human part, if he did none of those things.

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            #6
            I think the question creates several theological implications and I was hoping to bring them into discussion. Namely, religious perfectionism, and it's interesting that some think sin synonymous with humanity. Did Jesus have a sin nature? And if not, does this make Him any less human?

            To note, this line of questioning got another ministry's pastor in some deep trouble, and they removed the sermon which was preached on the difference between sins and mistakes.

            Take for example, Theo's answer reciting Luke 2:52, and asking whether Jesus had to learn to ride a horse or did he fall off from time to time? In other words was Jesus not always 100% right the first time? Or could Luke 2:52 imply incomplete knowledge and be referred to as a mistake? This would be contrary to any religious perfectionism, because it would show that not even Jesus got it right the first time.

            On the other hand, the implications of being morally wrong or making mistakes communicates that one is misguided and to most of us "it should have been some other way". According to Hab. 1:13; Heb. 4:15 sin involves a mistake of some sort—failing to meet the mark. Jesus could not sin, because God cannot sin, and He is God incarnate. His divine nature is perfect, and a perfect being cannot make mistakes.

            Interestingly, these questions form controversy from Gnostic writings like the Infancy Gospel of Thomas where the child Jesus is a supernatural prodigy, incapable of error though prone to fits of vengeance against adults and other children. While critical scholars have argued that Jesus made factual, theological, and even moral errors during His ministry, traditional Christians have never agreed.

            God bless,
            William
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              #7
              Originally posted by William View Post
              I think the question creates several theological implications and I was hoping to bring them into discussion. Namely, religious perfectionism, and it's interesting that some think sin synonymous with humanity. Did Jesus have a sin nature? And if not, does this make Him any less human?
              Hebrews 4.15
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                #8
                Originally posted by ThyWordisTruth View Post

                Hebrews 4.15
                Is there an actual point you wish to make? Please elaborate.

                God bless,
                William
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by William View Post

                  Is there an actual point you wish to make? Please elaborate.

                  God bless,
                  William
                  Jesus being fully human, and being "tempted like as we are" apparently does not involve him sinning.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ThyWordisTruth View Post

                    Jesus being fully human, and being "tempted like as we are" apparently does not involve him sinning.
                    That is correct, the verse suggest that Jesus exhibited all our weaknesses of the flesh and could sympathize with us. This of course is to be considered with the verse's ending, "without sin". God incarnate has a righteous nature, and had not innate sin to contend with. However, not only did Christ experience it through the weakness of the flesh, but He was tempted beyond what humans can be tempted. For example, He was tempted by both unbelieving Jews to perform miracles - signs and wonders. Not only them but by Satan. Something only God can do. For example, why would God not make a sign or perform a miracle if it led more people to salvation?

                    Glad you elaborated,
                    God bless,
                    William
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by William View Post
                      For example, why would God not make a sign or perform a miracle if it led more people to salvation?
                      He might do if he didn't think that complaints about the lack of a sign or wonder were just an excuse for unbelief.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by William View Post
                        According to Hab. 1:13; Heb. 4:15 sin involves a mistake of some sort—failing to meet the mark.
                        Sin certainly involves making a huge mistake but not all mistakes are the result of sin.
                        Clyde Herrin's Blog
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                          #13
                          Isn't a 'mistake' a 'sin'? Big or small. Dropping a bowl on the floor is an accident -- unless we were told to leave the bowl alone, right where it is. Or one of your family members asks -- does 'this' look good on me? You don't want to hurt their feelings by saying No, but honesty is Usually better. But Not as they are going out the door. But Way back when you first saw the 'article' being worn. Maybe that color Doesn't look good on them or maybe they Do need to loose a few pounds. We might not see that as a lie -thou shalt not - but it Is. A different color Can be suggested and we Could encourage better eating habits or exercise With the person.

                          Wasn't the point of Jesus's healing / miracles to point people to the Father? He fed the 5,000 with 5 loaves of bread and two fish. God was using a small amount for big things. God can use even the smallest things for His glory.

                          Actually there Is a passage that says that we are only told of a few of Jesus' miraculous doings. If we were told All of them -- it would take books and books.

                          Being tempted is Not a sin -- Acting On it , is. When a busty woman is bending down beside you and you can see Too much, a glance can't be helped -- the 2nd look can be.

                          Jesus' Christ's humanity caused Him to be tempted -- but His divine nature kept Him from it.
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                            #14
                            Jesus went up to a tree to grab fruit because he was hungry but found that it had none; he made a mistake.
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                              #15
                              No He didn't. Make a mistake that is.
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