Apologetics may be simply defined as the defense of the Christian faith. The word "apologetics" derives from the Greek word apologia, which was originally used as a speech of defense.

Does Anybody Else Ever Just Get Sick of Trying to Explain Their Faith to People Who Refuse to Listen?

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  • Does Anybody Else Ever Just Get Sick of Trying to Explain Their Faith to People Who Refuse to Listen?

    I mean, really. Does anybody else ever feel like they're wasting their time trying to reason with people who are dead- set on just calling you wrong and refuse to look at all the links, explanations and Scriptures you post to clarify your position? It's like beating your head against a wall, or trying to teach a pig to sing.. it just wastes your time and annoys the pig. I know that the Great Commission includes sharing your faith with others, but what if those others are people who are determined to say that your faith is wrong, you are wrong and that you should just shut up and join their club because they have all the answers and can exhaust you into submission. It's telling how taxing communicating with hard- headed people on the net can be and you invest a lot when you share sources and seek to offer cogent explanations for things. It's frustrating, infuriating and time- consuming. After awhile, i just want to shake the dust from my sandals and say, " even the dust from your town I wipe from my feet, yet know this: the Kingdom of God has come near."

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    Are you talking about on this forum or with someone in their physical presence...or both? If it is on this forum (or others) there are plenty of lurkers who may agree or be swayed by your arguments and they just don't tell you.
    If it is in person and they other party won't listen just plant a seed and pray for them. I know it can be extremely frustrating. I'm sure it was for Jesus, Paul, Peter and others but through the Holy Spirit do what you can do and leave the details to God.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Faber View Post
      Are you talking about on this forum or with someone in their physical presence...or both? If it is on this forum (or others) there are plenty of lurkers who may agree or be swayed by your arguments and they just don't tell you.
      If it is in person and they other party won't listen just plant a seed and pray for them. I know it can be extremely frustrating. I'm sure it was for Jesus, Paul, Peter and others but through the Holy Spirit do what you can do and leave the details to God.
      Actually, this forum is excellent for giving me the encouragement I need to carry on with the faith that God has given me. :) No problems here. Indeed, it was my trying to plant a seed elsewhere ( in an atmosphere somewhat hostile to my personal faith, granted) that led to that frustrated blurt of burnout. In person, discussions tend to be far more civil than online, I've noticed.
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      • #4
        On CARM, I briefly waded into a discussion in the Atheist Topic on Christians refusing to see evidence or admit it. I gently tried to ask a hypothetical question about what a 'scientist' would do with non-empirical evidence (like if a 'scientist' was there at the conversion of Paul). There would be nothing to measure ... How much does a spirit weigh? What frequency does God speak at?

        The answer was "a 'scientist' would have been able to identify the epileptic seizure that caused the hallucinations and personality change."

        That was when I knew the truth. Any effort at communicating spiritual truth was indeed casting pearls before swine. It was not a case that they did not believe and might be convinced. They had predefined reality so that belief was impossible. NOTHING I might say will make a difference. Since I have 'been there and done that', I know that God will need to grind them to dust and rebuild from zero if they are to have any chance. Until then, I need to quit attempting to drill seeds into solid rock and just wait for God to weather it down to a rich, fertile soil ready for planting. In the mean time, I need to look for another plot of ground more ready for planting.
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        • #5
          Yes, I know just what you are saying but my expectations are low. I never think that the person I am debating will change their minds or even try to understand my points. However it is my hope that others reading my posts might be swayed, might give my view a chance. Thus I write for them.
          Last edited by Origen; 10-05-2016, 06:27 PM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by atpollard View Post
            The answer was "a 'scientist' would have been able to identify the epileptic seizure that caused the hallucinations and personality change."
            An epileptic seizure that caused Saul and those accompanying him to fall to the ground? This is highly improbable.

            God bless,
            William
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            • #7
              Originally posted by William View Post
              An epileptic seizure that caused Saul and those accompanying him to fall to the ground? This is highly improbable.
              God bless,
              William
              ... But it WAS a great answer to my real question. Whatever evidence you might present, they will have a crazy reason to reject it. 'Science' was being redefined as that which 'rejects' whatever God says.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by atpollard View Post
                ... But it WAS a great answer to my real question. Whatever evidence you might present, they will have a crazy reason to reject it. 'Science' was being redefined as that which 'rejects' whatever God says.
                I agree, and... .

                Psalm 14:1;Proverbs 26:4

                God bless,
                William
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by William View Post

                  An epileptic seizure that caused Saul and those accompanying him to fall to the ground? This is highly improbable.

                  God bless,
                  William
                  Yeah, that seems a little too neat and pre- packaged an explanation on the part of the scientific community. Every soldier in Saul's escort, including Saul himself, having an epileptic seizure? That sounds as miraculous as the Vision itself, if you think about it.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ConfessionalLutheran View Post

                    Yeah, that seems a little too neat and pre- packaged an explanation on the part of the scientific community. Every soldier in Saul's escort, including Saul himself, having an epileptic seizure? That sounds as miraculous as the Vision itself, if you think about it.
                    The only reason I said improbably instead of impossibly is because given the Evolutionary magical ingredient (time), in a million years it is possible given the same circumstance was played out for such duration, Saul could of lost his balance and knocked everyone down ..... . :rolleyes:

                    Ya'know it is like saying what is the mathematical probability of something coming from nothing and everyone says zero. But then you add the magic (250 million years) and all things become possible!

                    God bless,
                    William
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Origen View Post
                      Yes, I know just what you are saying but my expectations are low. I never think that the person I am debating will change their minds even try to understand my points. However it is my hope that others reading my posts might be swayed, might give my view a chance. Thus I write for the them.
                      You know what, Origen? You're right. Jesus said to share the Gospel with all nations, not " share the Gospel with all nations, until their penchant for contradiction exceeds your tolerance level. Then, let ' em fry and you rehab for awhile." He also warned us of tribulations that would occur as a result of our spreading the Word. Thank you for the reminder. The Holy Spirit will doubtless plant a seed in some of the hearts of the readers, even if the opponent remains unmoved.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by atpollard View Post
                        On CARM, I briefly waded into a discussion in the Atheist Topic on Christians refusing to see evidence or admit it.
                        Just for FYI, I began this forum with a small group of people that came from CARM. It was a group of Calvinist that were responsible for my "conversion" and developing this website. Unfortunately, the group did not stick together. I think it was not understood on our part that a forum struggles for years .... and takes more out of them than what people expect. The build something and "they will come" days are over. It takes a massive amount of commitment, money, and time to make something like this work.

                        We (Staff) probably receive a lot of criticism about how much we filter people out of membership here. It only takes a few days in other forums to understand why we do. Some people are antagonist, and they bring out the worst in us. We are really trying our best to provide an environment that promotes growth. Really, the main problems I see from observation are with cults (SWs, JWs, Mormons) and, as you may of known non-denominational. Most of the issues we have though are from fundamentalist, for some reason those people seemingly do not examine themselves in order to understand their own hostile nature, but rather justify themselves from Scripture. Of course this is a broad generalization. We have a couple non denominational members here that are joy to engage day by day.

                        God bless,
                        William
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ConfessionalLutheran View Post
                          You know what, Origen? You're right. Jesus said to share the Gospel with all nations, not " share the Gospel with all nations, until their penchant for contradiction exceeds your tolerance level. Then, let ' em fry and you rehab for awhile." He also warned us of tribulations that would occur as a result of our spreading the Word. Thank you for the reminder. The Holy Spirit will doubtless plant a seed in some of the hearts of the readers, even if the opponent remains unmoved.
                          All of us should always keep in mind the parable of the sower.

                          Hear then the parable of the sower: When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”
                          One thing I always keep in mind about this parable is that are many obstacles which can and do prevent the seed of the Word from taking root, nevertheless we still sow the seed.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by William View Post
                            We (Staff) probably receive a lot of criticism about how much we filter people out of membership here. It only takes a few days in other forums to understand why we do.
                            True Dat!
                            I wondered a time or two if some people might have been banned a little fast from CF, because I came here from Religious Forums where a discussion on Genesis 1 involves someone explaining how they "read a Babylonian creation myth and believed that Genesis 1 means that even God was created from the primordial chaos." Compared to that, the heresies found here were refreshingly Biblical. :)

                            It was only after visiting the Calvinist & Arminian 'discussions' on CARM that I realized why you had such a low tolerance and what you were defending against. So I have long since backed off on any critical thoughts about where you draw the line. Seeing the other side has been enlightening.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by atpollard View Post
                              I wondered a time or two if some people might have been banned a little fast from CF, because I came here from Religious Forums where a discussion on Genesis 1 involves someone explaining how they "read a Babylonian creation myth and believed that Genesis 1 means that even God was created from the primordial chaos."
                              Not wanting to change the subject, but you might find this interesting.

                              Genesis 1: A Polemic Against the Gods -Christforums

                              My interests lean towards the more academic issues.
                              Last edited by Origen; 10-06-2016, 05:25 AM.
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