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    The Bible prophesies a restoration of the Roman Empire just before Christ’s return and many Bible teachers think that the European Union is the fulfillment of that prophecy.

    When the EU was formed this belief seemed reasonable. The founding members were Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and West Germany and these countries are all in territory that was once part of the Roman Empire. But since then membership has grown and it now includes nations that were never part of the empire, such as Sweden, Finland, and Poland.

    Perhaps people who are looking for signs of the restoration of the Roman Empire are looking at the wrong empire.

    In 395 the Empire split into two parts. Western Europeans and Americans are more familiar with the western part because it is the source of our culture and one part of it, the Roman Catholic church, still exists. As a result we often overlook the eastern part when studying Bible prophecy.

    The western empire collapsed less than 100 years after the split but the eastern empire lasted until Constantinople was conquered by the Turks in 1453 so for over 900 years it was the Roman Empire. Israel and most of the other countries that played a part in the Bible were in the territory that was part of this empire.

    Right now the territory is divided up among many different nations and there isn’t any unification movement as there is in Europe but this situation could change quickly. There is a great deal of political instability and this could lead to the emergence of a leader who would try to unite the area under a single government. Such a unification could come about quickly because there are already three ways in which most of the area is already united: Islam is the primary religion, most of the people speak Arabic, and many of them hate Israel. A good leader might be able to exploit these factors to persuade the people to put aside their national differences.
    Clyde Herrin's Blog

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    With all due respect, this has nothing to do with the problems and issues the world faces now, and for the foreseeable future. You are letting a 2000 year old scripture determine your world view, and this is neither helpful nor desirable.

    Best wishes, 2RM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by theophilus View Post
      Right now the territory is divided up among many different nations and there isn’t any unification movement as there is in Europe but this situation could change quickly.
      I read with interest your whole post. I had never considered the nations in the Eastern part of the Roman Empire in relation to Prophecy. I have difficulty seeing how this bunch of dictatorships, rogue states and political basket cases could unite. With the exception of Turkey and Israel, the whole area is a mess.

      Still, your idea is interesting. Could you elaborate?


      PermaFrost



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      • #4
        Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post

        I read with interest your whole post. I had never considered the nations in the Eastern part of the Roman Empire in relation to Prophecy. I have difficulty seeing how this bunch of dictatorships, rogue states and political basket cases could unite. With the exception of Turkey and Israel, the whole area is a mess.

        Still, your idea is interesting. Could you elaborate?


        PermaFrost


        I have a post in my blog in which I suggest one sequence of events that could lead to the formation of the new Roman Empire.

        The connecting link | clydeherrin

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        • #5
          Originally posted by theophilus View Post
          I have a post in my blog in which I suggest one sequence of events that could lead to the formation of the new Roman Empire.

          The connecting link | clydeherrin

          A new JewishTemple will be dedicated and a new Roman Empire will have control of Europe any moment now, even though the powers that be haven't even thought about "breaking ground" for either? I'm wondering about the Dispy time-table for the Pretrib Rapture and the Tribulation.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by theophilus View Post




            I have a post in my blog in which I suggest one sequence of events that could lead to the formation of the new Roman Empire.
            OK, thanks. I'll go take a look at that.


            PermaFrost
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            • #7
              Originally posted by theophilus View Post
              Interesting article you have there...I'll have to go back and read more entries on your blog.

              I can see that some of the countries listed in Ezekiel 38 and 39 are part of the old Roman Empire. There's Tubal (present-day Georgia* and Azerbaijan), Meshech (SE Turkey), Torgamah (NE Turkey), Persia (Iran), Cush (both shores of the Red Sea and the Arabian peninsula), Put (Lybia), Gog & Magog (possibly Belarus and Ukraine) and Rosh which is somewhere in the north.

              At the present time, all of these areas are antisemitic, and most of them are hostile towards Israel.


              PermaFrost

              *for those who are geographically challenged, that's Georgia the country, not the U.S. state...LOL

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PermaFrost View Post
                I can see that some of the countries listed in Ezekiel 38 and 39 are part of the old Roman Empire. There's Tubal (present-day Georgia* and Azerbaijan), Meshech (SE Turkey), Torgamah (NE Turkey), Persia (Iran), Cush (both shores of the Red Sea and the Arabian peninsula), Put (Lybia), Gog & Magog (possibly Belarus and Ukraine) and Rosh which is somewhere in the north.
                You don't take the names of those nations literally?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cornelius View Post
                  A new JewishTemple will be dedicated and a new Roman Empire will have control of Europe any moment now, even though the powers that be haven't even thought about "breaking ground" for either? I'm wondering about the Dispy time-table for the Pretrib Rapture and the Tribulation.
                  How do you know the powers that be haven't thought about either of these events? There are rumors that some Jews already have plans for rebuilding the temple and resuming sacrifices. With modern technology the actual construction would take much less time that was required for the building of the first temple.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by theophilus View Post
                    There are rumors that some Jews already have plans for rebuilding the temple and resuming sacrifices.
                    These are not rumors but reality. Many furnishings that were part of the former Temple have already been made and are warehoused waiting to be used, The Sanhedrin is already reconstituted and even has a Forum much like this one... pretty well all that is missing is a Temple and the right moment in history.

                    Originally posted by theophilus View Post
                    With modern technology the actual construction would take much less time that was required for the building of the first temple.
                    Prefab buildings go up in a matter of days...and I'm not talking about little matchbox homes but of very elaborate homes and factories.


                    PermaFrost


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by theophilus View Post
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                      Right now the territory is divided up among many different nations and there isn’t any unification movement as there is in Europe but this situation could change quickly. There is a great deal of political instability and this could lead to the emergence of a leader who would try to unite the area under a single government. Such a unification could come about quickly because there are already three ways in which most of the area is already united: Islam is the primary religion, most of the people speak Arabic, and many of them hate Israel. A good leader might be able to exploit these factors to persuade the people to put aside their national differences.
                      This is what I propose...

                      In Dan.2, we're shown all the metal pieces of the statue Neb saw being put together for the end, and all falling together as one when the Stone (Christ) smites it upon its feet, bringing it all down. That means all the previous empires, including up to the old Roman empire, will be together as one for the end of this world, and that is how a revived Roman empire is suggested. Yet there's a difference because the final added part, the feet of part iron and part clay, is what suggests the final controlling structure over the other pieces that represented the old empires.

                      What political apparatus today would represent this structure of Daniel 2 which Christ will strike down when He comes?

                      A "one world government".

                      The "Concert of Europe" in the 19th century by the European powers is how modern Internationalism in the west began. It turned into the League of Nations concept, and then the United Nations. The ultimate goal of the United Nations per their declaration is a "one world government". This is the goal of Britain's Fabian Socialists also, it is the goal of the Communist International. It is the goal of European socialists in various internationalist groups like The Club of Rome. It is the ultimate goal of the U.S. western "establishment". All these groups are allied together towards the same goal of a "one world government". The foreign affairs American think tank the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR) was established in the U.S. in the 1920's by Britain in order to 'establish' this specific goal of a "one world government" (as revealed in the Establishment's historian Carrol Quigley, professor of history at Georgetown University, in his 1960's book Tragedy And Hope).

                      What I propose is that the old "Concert of Europe" of the 1800's began the reviving of the Roman empire for the end. The revived Roman empire the Book of Daniel suggests is to have a strong iron part, but also a weak clay part making up its feet. I feel this represents an attempt of these Internationalists at joining Eastern society with Western society into a one-world controlled government system. I don't think East and West will ever meld together as one. And thus the feet of part iron and part clay, with the heaviest parts of the statue being above the feet, showing the statue is very top heavy and ready to fall.

                      These Internationalists represent the power structures over the most powerful nations of today. They control nation's economies, their militaries, their educational systems, and to some degree now, religious systems. In the times of the old Roman empire that would be equivalent to the power structures of ancient Rome and Constantinople.

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