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    My friends, this is what we voted for. No, not most of us. But one bad apple did spoil the whole cart didn't it. Anyways, I posted this under current events. This just blows my mind. You see, according to the elitists, we are too stupid to manage our own lives. This is antichrist stuff. Here and now. More gov't. Why do you think common core is being shove down our throats? Socialism. It does not agree with GOD nor does it want Him. Got a problem? Pop a pill and get on board. Lenin is credited for calling us "useful idiots". Yessir, vote Liberal. Progressive. Ever heard of Norman Thomas?

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      Hi Even So, I'm anything but a fan of our president, but I'm fairly certain he did not mean what that video excerpt implies (and even if he did, he would never admit it publicly ;)). Here is the transcript from that section of his speech so it can be read in context.

      Leaders and dignitaries of the European Union, representatives of our NATO alliance, distinguished guests, we meet here at a moment of testing for Europe and the United States and for the international order that we have worked for generations to build. Throughout human history, societies have grappled with fundamental questions of how to organize themselves, the proper relationship between the individual and the state, the best means to resolve the inevitable conflicts between states.

      And it was here in Europe, through centuries of struggle, through war and enlightenment, repression and revolution, that a particular set of ideals began to emerge, the belief that through conscience and free will, each of us has the right to live as we choose, the belief that power is derived from the consent of the governed and that laws and institutions should be established to protect that understanding.

      And those ideas eventually inspired a band of colonialists across an ocean, and they wrote them into the founding documents that still guide America today, including the simple truth that all men, and women, are created equal.

      But those ideals have also been tested, here in Europe and around the world. Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more traditional view of power. This alternative vision argues that ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign. Often this alternative vision roots itself in the notion that by virtue of race or faith or ethnicity, some are inherently superior to others and that individual identity must be defined by us versus them, or that national greatness must flow not by what people stand for, but what they are against.
      It is poorly written to be sure, but it seems to me that he is saying that the old forms of power are the ones that repress and force individual surrender to an all-powerful sovereign, yes?

      Yours and His,
      David
      Simul Justus et Peccator ~Martin Luther

      "We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" ~John Calvin

      "The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us." ~C. S. Lewis

      "The secret is Christ in me, not me in a different set of circumstances" ~Elisabeth Elliot

      "The law is for the self-righteous to humble their pride; the Gospel is for the lost to remove their despair. ~C. H. Spurgeon
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        Thanks St. I was wondering what the context may be. It does not make me feel any better. I have read it over and it is all psycho babble to me. I read this as championing gay rights once again..

        There are many key phrases here. I guess we can read too much into anything, but we ain't stoopit either. Well at leastin y'all ain't.

        Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
        including the simple truth that all men, and women, are created equal.
        pro lgbtq

        Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
        This alternative vision argues that ordinary men and women are too small-minded to govern their own affairs, that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender their rights to an all-powerful sovereign.
        Are you kidding? And who would that be, per say? (Dunno if per say fit, just like it there) Ya see, there is gonna be one smooth talker coming on the scene who is gonna feed us these verbal Twinkies and we are gonna eat them all up.

        Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
        Those ideals have often been threatened by an older, more traditional view of power
        The power of GOD. Judaeo-Christian that this country was founded on. We fall, so goes the world.

        Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
        societies have grappled with fundamental questions of how to organize themselves
        So we all need to be of one thought, Or order.

        Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
        each of us has the right to live as we choose, the belief that power is derived from the consent of the governed
        What about Christians? The govt is turning on us. And the end times gov before JESUS comes is coming after us big time. It's happenng and we all see it.

        Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
        moment of testing for Europe and the United States and for the international order
        There is that scary word order again.

        Originally posted by St_Worm2 View Post
        national greatness must flow not by what people stand for, but what they are against
        Say what? So what is that crud? I would say he is definitely pro world. And we are not of this world are we? No sirs and madams. The gov will be socialistic and socialism does not want GOD. To love the world is to be at enmity with GOD. That would make our president anti CHRIST. Not the, just an.

        Call me paranoid, but i am sounding the alarm. What is going on must not be ignored. Even so, come LORD JESUS!

        Thanks again St. Worm. Gave me a chance to really take a hard look at it. Now i really, really don't like it.

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          Actually world leaders wouldn't openly call for a New World Order. What they say in public is for the "sheeple" to hoodwink them but they can drop subtle hints . . . however in closed door meetings they can openly talk about the NWO and what should be done to make it a reality. I've never trusted politicians and doubt I ever will so whatever they say to assure people that everything is alright isn't what they really want. Makes me believe that they actually are working for another master, not the people they are supposed to serve.
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            Originally posted by Even So View Post
            Lenin is credited for calling us "useful idiots". Yessir, vote Liberal. Progressive. Ever heard of Norman Thomas?
            Hi 'Even So',
            Please be as tolerant and kind as you are able to those who believe somewhat differently from yourself.
            I am both 'liberal and progressive' in my faith, yet I remain tolerant and kindly disposed towards those who are 'fundamentally rigid' (whether Catholic or Protestant).
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              Well I apologize if I offended you, but I don't get how any Christian can still be registered with them . The agenda doesn't line up with our LORD. Is it subject to interpretation of the Bible?
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                Originally posted by Even So View Post
                Well I apologize if I offended you, but I don't get how any Christian can still be registered with them . The agenda doesn't line up with our LORD. Is it subject to interpretation of the Bible?
                Aha, now you might just be touching on the very roots of the apostasy that Jesus prophesied in Matthew 13 and that began with the State intervention and adoption of Christianity by Constantine, and that was cemented 'good and proper' by the Roman Church when it produced its Vulgate Bible, and was further indelibly endorsed by the Protestant Reformers' emphasis on Sola Scriptura, out of which came the Evangelical Alliance's Statement of Faith regarding the absolute verbal inerrancy of said 'Bible'.

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                  Originally posted by Way of the Spirit View Post
                  ...egarding the absolute verbal inerrancy of said 'Bible'.
                  So where do you stand on said quote? Not much respect there. And just like the left, I am being called intolerant and unkind because my views don't line up with yours. As long as I have been able to remember, and that ain't long, I have been taught that the Democratic party is for big gov't. Daniel and Revelation both speak of one world govt so it makes perfect sense. Now you get into Constantine, Roman Catholic vs Protestant, which yiu have shown your hand, and of course the Protestants are the intolerant ones. For those who don't know yet, not all will see the Kingdon of Heaven. I'll not be the only one to tell you not many Catholics know their prophecy.

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                    What did you think of Norman Thomas' quote?
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                      You know guys, these events 'in general', are written in God's Word.

                      if you don't believe what I'm gonna say, that's fine, I understand many don't see the patterns in society linked with Biblical events. If you're upset by this, I suggest you go to another link.

                      I first heard the phrase "one world government" used back in the later 1970's. Ever since that time I had the urge to find out what it meant, and only many years later did I become a Christian and go in-depth into God's Word.

                      You guys remember who helped built the City of David and the first temple in Jerusalem, right? Recall how David and Solomon were friends with the king of Tyre who supplied workers for construction. Also recall the leftover Canaanites which Israel was not able to destroy per God's command (Judges 2 & 3). The Masonic lodge claims a tradition going all the way back to the temple of Solomon. That would make Masonry originally...a Jewish institution.

                      1 Kings 9:19-22
                      19 And all the cities of store that Solomon had, and cities for his chariots, and cities for his horsemen, and that which Solomon desired to build in Jerusalem, and in Lebanon, and in all the land of his dominion.

                      20 And all the people that were left of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, which were not of the children of Israel,

                      21 Their children that were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel also were not able utterly to destroy, upon those did Solomon levy a tribute of bondservice unto this day.

                      22 But of the children of Israel did Solomon make no bondmen: but they were men of war, and his servants, and his princes, and his captains, and rulers of his chariots, and his horsemen.
                      KJV

                      The children of Israel weren't known to be great artisans and craftsmen. This is why king David and king Solomon traded workers with the king of Tyre (a pagan, most likely a Canaanite). That is one of the connections with Masonry, which began from the old mason's joined together in Europe in guilds, basically the craftsmen that built the great stone structures in later Europe, and who put lots of pagan images into the stones of cathedrals, etc.

                      In some controversial documents that I won't mention, the Jewish elders have mentioned how for 22 centuries they have been at their plan for a one world kingdom. Just so happens, this slow movement to that point is part of God's Plan per His Word, for the end of this world. Everything is lining up like He said in His Word for the end. Their "king of the world" they plan to institute in the last days is going to be the Antichrist/false Messiah we were foretold of in God's Word for the end, sitting in Jerusalem playing God. That is the purpose of the NWO movement.
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